tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post114951537092747180..comments2024-03-25T06:39:42.081-04:00Comments on Bonfire of the Vanities: 'Plunder the Treasures of the Church'Fr Martin Foxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1150247357693911742006-06-13T21:09:00.000-04:002006-06-13T21:09:00.000-04:00Perhaps the Adoremus Hymnal appears "slim", but th...Perhaps the Adoremus Hymnal appears "slim", but there is less in it that is unusable than in any other one I know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1150049908877082442006-06-11T14:18:00.000-04:002006-06-11T14:18:00.000-04:00Fr., Re “Victoria”, I was inquiring as to the ...Fr.,<BR/><BR/> Re “Victoria”, I was inquiring as to the composer of the Mass setting we hear in the clip you have linked. I recognize the music, but I don’t know the composer or the name of the Mass.<BR/><BR/>Norms in the GIRM effectively proscribing choral settings of the Credo and Sanctus:<BR/><BR/>68. The Creed is to be sung or said by the priest together with the people on Sundays and Solemnities. It may be said also at particular celebrations of a more solemn character. If it is sung, it is begun by the priest or, if this is appropriate, by a cantor or by the choir. It is sung, however, either by <B>all together or by the people alternating with the choir</B>.<BR/><BR/>79b. Acclamation: In which the whole congregation, joining with the heavenly powers, sings the Sanctus. This acclamation, which is part of the Eucharistic Prayer itself, is <B>sung or said by all the people</B> with the priest.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>This became an issue on a few other blogs recently because B16 celebrated a Mass for the Swiss Guard with a choral Sanctus - which is not how the GIRM says the Sanctus is supposed to be.Cantorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02622485330424236562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149912464542214722006-06-10T00:07:00.000-04:002006-06-10T00:07:00.000-04:00Since some of the most decent hymns in the OCP mus...Since some of the most decent hymns in the OCP music issue are written by the Wesleys why not just buy Adoremus hymnals (I agree they are a bit 'thin', but they are solid - literally and figuratively) and supplement with Methodist hymnals.Ellynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11553189251750677842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149810009160454422006-06-08T19:40:00.000-04:002006-06-08T19:40:00.000-04:00I think it's not just that contemporary Catholic m...I think it's not just that contemporary Catholic music is crappy. Most people today cannot read music or sightsing because they haven't been trained how to do so. If you don't learn how to sing and match pitch when you're young it can be quite difficult. Because of this people are not comfortable singing out at Mass. I played an instrument throughout high school and took ear training and sightsinging courses in college. I still have difficulty sometimes singing hymns a cappela at daily mass, particularly when we attempt to sing chant.<BR/><BR/>I attended an independent Baptist church once in a small farming community where the congregation practically blew the doors off singing hymns without accompaniment in 4 part harmony. I asked some of the members after the services how they came to sing so well and they told me that they spend half of Sunday School each week practicing hymns. Something like this is needed for Catholics, a comfortable and unitimidating environment where people can learn the music prior to attempting it on Sunday. Otherwise I don't think new missalettes or hymnals will help that much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149710042258885502006-06-07T15:54:00.000-04:002006-06-07T15:54:00.000-04:00To clarify my last post, I think many ppl are goin...To clarify my last post, I think many ppl are going toward more "traditional" Masses even as far as the TLM's. (I had too many thoughts going in too many directions-a cross for this too busy mom-LOL! )<BR/><BR/>God Bless,<BR/>TracyTracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13055691110317133958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149700703003854772006-06-07T13:18:00.000-04:002006-06-07T13:18:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Tracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13055691110317133958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149655668608793262006-06-07T00:47:00.000-04:002006-06-07T00:47:00.000-04:00Cantor:I don't get your "Victoria" reference, sorr...Cantor:<BR/><BR/>I don't get your "Victoria" reference, sorry.<BR/><BR/>I don't recall the norms forbidding choral settings for the Credo and Sanctus, but I do prefer the people singing or reciting these.Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149653597451273572006-06-07T00:13:00.000-04:002006-06-07T00:13:00.000-04:00Fr., Victoria, is it? I *know* I’ve heard it.....Fr.,<BR/><BR/> Victoria, is it? I *know* I’ve heard it...can’t put my foot on which Mass setting it is.<BR/><BR/> Do you advocate for a choral Credo and/or Sanctus, btw (norms notwithstanding)?<BR/><BR/> You might encourage your music director to try writing some Communion antiphon settings, with a cantor singing the verses to psalm tones. I stole the idea from James Biery’s sets of Communion antiphons for Advent and Lent, and it’s working well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149652683775391512006-06-06T23:58:00.000-04:002006-06-06T23:58:00.000-04:00Actually, Cincy archdiocese has lots of parishes u...Actually, Cincy archdiocese has lots of parishes using GIA resources.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149651184935596622006-06-06T23:33:00.000-04:002006-06-06T23:33:00.000-04:00Dear Father, I love your website. I invite you to ...Dear Father, I love your website. I invite you to visit mine www.bostonharbor.us<BR/><BR/>It is Catholic and Christian thought from over 100 years ago.<BR/><BR/>I think that it is a very unique site that you willenjoy<BR/>jimmydondero@yahoo.comJimmy Donderohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16850775943953015162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149567369418757522006-06-06T00:16:00.000-04:002006-06-06T00:16:00.000-04:00Michigan:I don't know what you mean.Michigan:<BR/><BR/>I don't know what you mean.Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149567340924443752006-06-06T00:15:00.000-04:002006-06-06T00:15:00.000-04:00(most recent) Anonymous:I own a copy of the Adorem...(most recent) Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>I own a copy of the Adoremus hymnal. It's too thin in what it has.Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149561893916680772006-06-05T22:44:00.000-04:002006-06-05T22:44:00.000-04:00Have you considered introducing the Adoremus Hymna...Have you considered introducing the Adoremus Hymnal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149560013224601422006-06-05T22:13:00.000-04:002006-06-05T22:13:00.000-04:00I am the first poster. Iagree that OCP is not 'al...I am the first poster. Iagree that OCP is not 'all that'. But, when you are in a diocese that is highly popualted by people who know On Eagles Wings, Be Not Afraid, Sing a New Song, Sing to the Mountains... it is a little hard to get a parish to use something other that an OCP product. GIA has some of their hymns, but a majority are unfamilar to my diocese. By the way, I am from the Diocese of Covington, KY, right across the river from the Archdiocese of Cincy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149538767251094182006-06-05T16:19:00.000-04:002006-06-05T16:19:00.000-04:00Fr., I must disagree with the first post-er who ga...Fr., <BR/><BR/>I must disagree with the first post-er who gave a thumbs-up to OCP. They are the worst of the big three in my opinion. Some of the tunes they choose to publish are embarassingly bad. <BR/><BR/>Ritualsongs is not a bad resource actually . . . you could do a lot worse. It may be the most viable hymnal out there for those who have a commitment to traditional music but understand that Haugen and Haas aren't going away anytime soon. I posted briefly on Gather Comprehensive here:<BR/><BR/>http://cantatedeo.blogspot.com/2006/05/gather-comprehensive.htmlPraying Twicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10467751185892310913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149519251359449782006-06-05T10:54:00.000-04:002006-06-05T10:54:00.000-04:00T.O.:Downtown Piqua is reached from Exit 82 on I-7...T.O.:<BR/><BR/>Downtown Piqua is reached from Exit 82 on I-75.Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149518951625442832006-06-05T10:49:00.000-04:002006-06-05T10:49:00.000-04:00Is Piqua anywhere near Toledo, Father?Is Piqua anywhere near Toledo, Father?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149518265471400872006-06-05T10:37:00.000-04:002006-06-05T10:37:00.000-04:00I wrote about these two companies a couple of mont...<A HREF="http://catholicinformation.wordpress.com/2006/04/28/gia-and-oregon-catholic-press-treasurehouses-of-catholic-musical-heritage/" REL="nofollow">I wrote about these two companies a couple of months ago</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14168956.post-1149516918414384132006-06-05T10:15:00.000-04:002006-06-05T10:15:00.000-04:00Fr., You should consider OCP (Oregon Catholic Pres...Fr., You should consider OCP (Oregon Catholic Press) they have several programs that offer a nice mix of traditional and contemporary music. They have both permanant hymnals or disposable missals. Check out www.ocp.orgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com