Thursday, August 10, 2006

...Just a reminder--as if we needed one today--that we are at war, and we need to defeat this enemy.

May God bless those who foiled the plot to kill thousands; may God be with those who continue to fight the war, on all fronts. May God convert the hearts and save the souls of those who seek evil.

May Christ be our light, and in us, the Light to the world.


Anonymous said...


Victor said...

Absolutely, Father. The un-American evils of racial profiling and stereotyping against Muslims must cease absolutely.

mike m said...

Hey, victor:

What do ALL of the suspects arrested in connection with this latest plot to kill scores of innocent people all have in common? I'll give you a hint: it's not that they were 83-year-old grandmothers flying to visit their grandchildren.

If only we had succumbed to the "evils" of racial profile on the morning of September 11, 2001.

mike m said...

I'll give you another hint, Victor. Here are the suspects' names:

Umir Hussain, 24, London E14
Muhammed Usman Saddique, 24, London E17
Waheed Zaman, 22, London E17
Assan Abdullah Khan, 22, London E17
Waseem Kayani, 28, High Wycombe
Waheed Arafat Khan, 24, London E17
Cossor Ali, 24, London E17
Tayib Rauf, 21, Birmingham
Ibrahim Savant, 26, London E17
Osman Adam Khatib, 20, London E17
Shamin Mohammed Uddin, 36, Stoke Newington
Amin Asmin Tariq, 23, London E17
Shazad Khuram Ali, 27, High Wycombe
Tanvir Hussain, 24, London E10
Umar Islam, 28, (born Brian Young) High Wycombe
Assad Sarwar, 25, High Wycombe
Abdullah Ali, 26, London E17
Abdul Muneem Patel, 17, London E5
Nabeel Hussain, 21, Waltham Forest

mike m said...

Curiously absent from the list above:

Mable Anderson
Mike Smith
Paul Johnson
Hai Ta
Gillermo Rodriguez
Shamus O'Reilly

...Still there, victor?

Robin said...

Father this is a great article:

This atricle has all the threats to us and restof the world and how some issues are ignored.

Jay Anderson said...

Mike M,

Here's another hint:

Go find a dictionary and look up the words "satire" and "sarcasm".

Another clue can be obtained by actually reading the link that Victor posted.

Victor said...

...Still there, victor?

I was there before you ... and making the exact same joke, actually. Great minds think alike, etc.

Actually, dry satire is in danger these days. What I wrote on my site (much less what I wrote here) actually IS being said with conviction and a straight face by all-too-many liberals ... (like here).

mike m said...

Sorry, victor. I didn't read the story you linked before posting, I had just assumed it was another story against racial profiling at airports -- I had already seen several crop up following the most recent terror plot. It blows my ind that there are people out there that are actually making this argument in today's world.

Mark Anthony said...

I realize I am an "army of one" here (to borrow a slogan from our armed forces), but let's all go slow here. If there was a true threat, then indeed thank God that it was foiled by the British (and Pakistanis, Mable Andersons in their secret police, I'd wager). But so far, the searches of the homes of the alleged terrorists have turned up no suspect chemicals, at least according to the British police.

We've all jumped on this Bandwagon of Hysteria before. The British have had a recent history of raiding the wrong homes, shooting Brazilians on the subway due to mistaken identities, etc. And certainly, the Brits and we needed a good dose of patriotic adreniline given the utter mess that Lebanon, Iraq, et al are at present.

I'm not being partisan here. After all, Clinton was quick to lob missiles at empty buildings and formula factories when his political chestnuts were in the fire (so to speak...) I just have a healthy scepticism about this ongoing, never-ending but politically helpful War on Terror. If this turns out to be another no-starter threat like the hapless Miami busts recently trumpeted, I will not be the least surprised.

Victor said...

If this turns out to be another no-starter threat like the hapless Miami busts recently trumpeted, I will not be the least surprised.

What evidence do you have that the Miami busts were "no-starters" that were "trumpeted" beyond the objective threat.

I am aware that the ring was rounded up before they had done much, but isn't it at least defensibly "better safe than sorry" to round up an infiltrated group before they have a chance to get their plot too close to fruition.

Mark Anthony said...

"Better safe than sorry", Victor?

You know, if we REALLY want to be safe from all those Muslims who hate us, we could put all Muslims into detention camps. It worked so well with he Japanese...

I would think that all you conservatives and libertarians would be more upset with arrests based on vague discussions about possible violence for which no real planning or opportunity exists. But then, they are just Muslims, and we know what they're like...

Victor said...


You're grossly overstating my point (or deliberately caricaturing it ... charity dictates the former "read"; for now).

The question is: when in the course of a conspiracy that authorities should arrest conspirators whose ring that they have penetrated? And it's very much a judgement call. Do we wait until they actually *acquire* explosives ("talk is cheap")?, until they send them to the target?, etc.

In general, the longer you wait, the more evidence you can pile up, on more serious counts, and possibly nab more people.

But OTOH, waiting also raises the risk of exposing or losing your contact, or the schedule being speeded up (either deliberately or by some hothead). And yes, "better safe than sorry" is the traditional argument for acting early in such situations.

That's a very serious and debatable matter -- a far cry from your sneers about internment camps, etc., which nobody has mentioned or advocated.

And besides ... that doesn't answer my solicit, which I will repeat. What is your basis for saying that the Miami arrests were no-starters, exaggerated or otherwise not legitimate?

Orange_Cross said...

May God give us better disguises to infiltrate the ranks of the enemy, that we might subvert and pacify them rather than destroy them.

Mike L said...

As I read Fathers post and the comments several thoughts came to mind. First was the discussion of racial profiling. I think what you really want is religious profiling, but how many races would that include? Certainly Pakistani, Egyptian, Indian, Afganistani, Persian, many Africans, and a lot more that I can't think of right now. Is this really effective? Or is it wishful thinking? And given the fact that a number of people (like Ted Kennedy) have been placed on the no-fly list, I am not sure that I would believe that it would really help.

Anyother thought went through my mind concerning the "war on terror." More than one person has pointed out that the people we are fighting with were not, at least originally, associated with 9/11. Why haven't we managed to catch ben Ladin? I think that maybe too much of our resources are being put into fighting that really has little to do with the terrorists that we need to worry about.

Mike L