Tuesday, December 04, 2007

Missa Latina (Latin Mass) tomorrow...

Just a reminder, the monthly Mass, (mostly) in Latin, will be at St. Mary Parish, Piqua Ohio, tomorrow at 8 am, as on every first Wednesday morning of the month.

Remember, this is according to the current Missal -- not the old, "Tridentine" Mass, but the form of the Mass as modified after the Council. When I say mostly in Latin, that means the collects, readings and petitions are in English. Everything else in Latin, a fair amount will be sung.

Oh, and this is snow or no snow. Mass must be offered, even if it's only the Lord and me!


Fr. Ron Williams said...

All right, we get the point -- it's the Advent season. Now would you please get rid of this awful purple color (which looks like cough syrup) and use a different background color that's easier to read!

Fr Martin Fox said...


Your blog, your choice of color.

Anonymous said...

I had planned on driving up from Cincinnati. Guess I will have to make the next one.

Love the purple reminder of this wonderful season of preparation.

Fr. Ron Williams said...

You the man, Father Martin!

Fr Martin Fox said...

Fr Ron:

I meant to say, my blog, etc., and I was going to leave it as-is; but then I decided to tinker.

Anonymous said...

Have you considered facing ad orientum for the canon of the Mass? I ask, not because I am a fan of the Traditional Latin Mass, I'm not, but because I really wonder if it would make a big difference. And if so, what kind...

Jane M

Anonymous said...

Fr. Fox, what Jane ask is of interest. I'm assuming the Tabernacle in the church you oversee is in a side chapel. If so, could you re-position it so that it is directly behind the altar (as they use to be) and then offer mass "ad orientum" This way, you will be facing our Lord and Saviour, and directing the offertory prayers to Christ the King. Doesn't this make perfect sense? I'll be bold and answer Jane's question--it will make a great difference for you and the faithful assiting you at this particular Mass. To use an old cliche, "try it, you may like it" Fr. Fox.


Fr Martin Fox said...


The subject of ad orientem has come up; I think it may be a bit early to do that.


The Lord is on the central axis of both churches I pastor.

Anonymous said...

With all due respect, inaccordance with His Holiness Benedict XVI, there is no "Old Tridentine" liturgy. There is only ONE liturgy with two forms, the Ordinary Form of the Latin Rite and the Extraordinary Form of the Latin Rite.

Fr Martin Fox said...


Responding respectfully...

I did not refer to two liturgies, but rather, I used the word "form," as you did as well. And while you are correct, there is one Roman Rite, there are two Missals.

Like it or not, when I've written about this before, on this site, I've carefully said I was doing the current form of the Mass in Latin, not the "old"/"extraordinary" form, and still people didn't know whether I mean the new or old Missal, the ordinary or extraordinary usage. So I used the term "Tridentine" to clarify things.

Anonymous said...

I read your page, you got a nice product. Thanks for the information on the Dogmatic Topic of Intercommunion. I studied at an Orthodox-Anglican Monastery in Greece for some time before going to graduate school at Oxford, so I got a special place in my heart for Eastern Monasticism with a little Latin touch, of course! However, now I am a High Anglican Bishop (we celebrate a Tridentine Style Liturgy), who has valid lines from the Orthodox Churches. I am very moved by your page, and I recently got the book a certain Deacon Br. Andre Marie (from the Brazilian-Bishop Costa Old Catholic Lineage directing the St. Benedict Center of NH) mentioned (thanks for the referral) a very Hot! Roman Catholic Theology Book, that is troubling my current position called "Communicatio in Sacris: The Roman Catholic Church against Intercommunion with non-Catholics."


I am thinking of converting over to the Traditional Latin Roman Catholic Church (maybe help Wizard-Scholars Bishop Jason Spadafore and Bros. Michael and Peter Dimond?) and now I am in negotiations with a Bishop in France (a personal friend of Bishop Richard Williamson of the SSPX, and who I heard got the book and maybe leaving the "Una Cum" SSPX to join the Reverend Anthony Cekada?) who gave this book of Dr. DeTucci "Two thumbs up!" I must confess I am very close to joining Prime Minister Tony Blair in his voyage from Anglicanism to Roman Catholicism (who I actually met once at the Canterbury Abbey of St. Augustine in England):


I personally give Dr. DeTucci TWO THUMBS WAY UP for his Patristic and Dogmatic Scholarship! Indifferentism is a Major Problem, and it has caused the Mass Murder and Holocaust of Abortion today, sadly to say.

I would love to review any Mainstream Periodical (e.g. Bishop Timothy Henneberry's Moral Theology Magazine "Our Lady of Sorrows") that has read through DeTucci's Book, but I may write my own yet. I love to read first more established Scholars, you seem to be a top notch scholarly periodical online. Any degrees? I studied at Oxford, and thank God, I realized the Main Anglican Succession is invalid. That's why I had communion with the Eastern Orthodox Church, but I am rethinking my Economy of Sacramental Grace thanks to Doctor DeTucci (who I heard studied at the Lateran in Rome).

And thank you!

Sincerely in Christ Our Lord,

+ Most Reverend Bishop Dr. Joseph John Violet of St. Vitus, M.A., D.D., Ph.D.

London, England

P.S. Doctor-Master (are you Irish?), I meant to ask you, if you had any Communication with the so-called "Latin Tridentine Church" headed by Bishop Michael Cox in Ireland? I had the pleasure of meeting the famous Hollywood Personality, that is, the priestess-Bishop Sinead O'Connor (better known as the Hollywood Pop Singer from Ireland):


She celebrates an Intercommunion Service of the Latin Tridentine Mass, and I am not sure if Bishop Clarence Kelly, the Scholar-Bishop of Oyster Bay, New York, has written a review of her lineage? I heard she comes from the controversial lineage of the late Archbishop Ngo Dinh Thuc of Vietnam (the same line that Bishops Daniel Dolan and Donald Sanborn claim their fame to). Any insights?